"Ariel Pink Dropped by Label After Attending Pro-Trump Rally at White House" www.billboard.com/articles/news/politics/9509158/mexican-summer-drops-ariel-pink-pro-trump-rally/
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Qué quieres que te diga!, he alucinado un poco, hay quienes piensan que hay que establecer una línea divisoria entre el artista y su obra, pero me temo que este lamentable episodio puede empañar su obra; Démosle una oportunidad, quizás se arrepienta y siga regalándonos su talento tan bizarro
Wow no forever at the end huh melon
Ariel is better than Fantano
How does a restraining order get denied?
Fantano you are spineless
it seems hes contracted severe joker syndrome
I don't think this will end his career but rather make it more interesting. The same thing happened to Varg Vikernes.
this guy anthony rly said the american election process was fair and then called the little guitar man naive and foolish
Review Negative XP now
BASED and obligatory negative reaction from bald vegan for political views
"Cancel culture doesn't exist." Says the man who had an entire live tour cancelled because a d-list mag called him alt-right for making fun of HC once and lurking on MU.
@william hummerick Sure, there are people like this but you can pick a side in general and still think for yourself when it comes to specific situations. I am surrounded by "social justice warriors" who have called out and cancelled people who are women or LGBTQIA+ for doing stuff almost exactly like you said - that is just alternately marked as the left eating itself. Its not always black and white.
You have to pick a side. Someone like Fantano absolutely cannot be this successful unless he is 100% invested in one side. He can't claim victim of that, because it runs against the prerogative. Fantano could get drugged and molested, and if it was by the right person, like a girl, a trans person or a gay guy, I would bet money that he would keep quiet about it. It is that deep for him. People like him literally don't think for themselves.
Reading all of these comments and listening to Fantano makes me realize how politically ignorant most of the voters are in the United States. Essentially doing no research for yourself and only listening to what people tell you about a person when you can actually listen to what that person is saying/doing. Ariel is a populist and understands Trump was the closest well get to an actual good president. I bet most of you guys still think Obama did a good job. If you think our economy went to shit because of COVID, wait and see what Joe Biden does to it. Our currency is about to be worthless and you won’t be able to get to work or even get a job in a rural area.
I love Ariel Pink. The fact that he supports Trump makes me love him more.
I have a big dilemma with this as a huge Ariel Pink fan I'm a bit upset as I'm sure is his fan base. He did say he was already "cancelled"(not sure for what) but he is really cancelled now because as a fan of him before I'm struggling to find a foot hold in this effect of him being himself in all of this shitiness (the pandemic). But that said he didn't really do anything wrong except place his bet on the wrong roulette of a number that is history!
Baby Boomers have Ted Nugget, Millennials have Ariel Pink and Gen X'er have Kurt Cobain!
omg SO WHAT ABOUT HIS BIEWS FOR LIKING TRUMP LOL, he should have stood away from an insurrection. but man let the dude have his views.
Well at least YOU won’t get cancelled now.
Lost respect for Fantano today
Thank God tRump is over.
Also, I think it's pretty clear that he did this intentionally. I really think he got sick of being "famous". He clearly never dealt with it well, and I think he was looking for a way out.
People need to learn to separate the art from the artist better. He's far from perfect but the work still speaks for itself. He didn't murder anyone.
People that are scared of cancel culture are stupid, you only have to be worried about being “cancelled” if you’re a nazi, you can say the fucking n word and you won’t get cancelled, people are just babies
In general the arts are above politics unless atrocities are involved.. in the US apparently not...
so he proved himself right and that makes him wrong? you leftist are metal gymnast, I know the left calling card is blame your opponent of everything you are guilty of but just accept it you people are the real fascist.
cancel culture is moral. Fascism is BAD! Cancel culture is the way to correct fascism. Ariel Pink should go to jail for his dangerous speech
Kanye did it
Anthony “bow down to cancel culture” fantano
Leftists just need to be dealt with once and for all
Canceled because a bunch of drones can't tolerate a different viewpoint. You just have to be completely independent nowadays assuming these cultists platforms even allow that. It always amuses me that leftists always think they're the progressive and tolerant ones when they essential parrot the ideals of all the major corporations, media institutions, academia, and now the government majority
only Libtards would stop listening to Ariel Pink for this. Most people who don't spend all day listening to NPR don't really GAF
Fantano is the epitome of pretentiousness and cringe. Ariel (musically gifted sure) but he has always been a total creep. I figured that out after puffing a joint with him before a show and observing his mannerisms with random girls before the gig.
Saying that the fear of “cancel culture” is a ridiculous paranoia because all cultures cancel is a pretty naïve comment at best. It ignores the radical polarization the current political climate holds, as well as the dangerous tendency towards tribalism that is possessing people the past decades (on the left as well as on the right).
Anthony, I am a huge fan of yours! And I think your assessment on Ariel Pink is spot on. Like you Ariel was one of my favorite artists to come out of the indie seen. However, his support for Trump & the recent allegations by his ex-girlfriend have made me no longer a fan. Ariel, is his own worst enemy. Quite frankly he’s lost the plot. And it’s really sad because he’s an extremely talented guy who’s erratic & controversial behavior will hang like a dark cloud over his music.
You can never be "woke" enough. Also, you're right about the climate in the music industry at the minute. Realistically speaking, it's enforced opinion. I prefer to listen to music about the individual, not politics. If someone doesn't understand something politically or has a differing opinion to me, that's okay. I won't turn my back on their music career. If there's no hate there then there's no reason to mess with someone's opinions, misinformed or otherwise, or their freedoms. We don't have to be the thought police, that's unethical.
The naive fool plays the right/left game... that be you Fantano.
Obeythony Globaliststano took the cope pill
i wonder artists such as drugdealer and weyes blood stand on the situation as i’m pretty sure these guys have worked closely with Ariel Pink
time for people to wake up to how punk rock he is and how washed by the establishment everything else is
Ariel is and always has been an LA junkie creep who manhandles women and whose "genius" music is all directly derivative of cheesey synthpop...I've never understood his allure
To be fair, let's just imagine all of the evidence for the elections being rigged, the white vans full of ballots, people never asking for ids, let's just imagine that is real. It would be completely fair for him to believe that, however with all of this strategic wording, believing the election is fake, even with all of this evidence, is considered insane. Secondly, I feel like you are blaming trump for hosting these riots, even though he wasn't there and he did tell his followers to leave. If you want to believe im just a random pro trump brainless boomer, I would have 100% voted for my man's YANG. There is an issue invading the American government called political factions, the only chance you have for being president is becoming an extremist and getting nominated by one of the possible two parties, it destroys any facet of new ideas and instead works to create havoc because of disagreements. Sorry I went on a little rant here. Goodbye!
it sounds like ariel pink has become the perfect example of the type of person that is willing to to support a fascist. at first when i heard about this i was like "oh no! black moth super rainbow is a piece of shit!" and then i was immediately relieved.
4:26 you spend the last 4 years crying and jumping on any train that could get trump out of office. And now someone crying about losing but still giving up his spot on the 22nd is totalitarian? You gotta stop letting yourself go last when they run that train on your girl.
Fantano really got TDS
This is what's wrong with America. Eminem can rap about gays and killing his mom but a guy attends a Trump rally he gone
Trumps not a facist. You’re wrong melon. Still love you though. ❤️
Damnnnn I didn’t know that, I like his house arrest album
Cry more didn’t watch
There are people that aren't "Trump cultists" that don't necessarily believe the election was fair. Aaaand, you are completely wrong that there are people that aren't on the "progressive left" could possibly be fans of similar musical genres. It blows me away that you believe that your views are just so righteous that everyone else is a moron. There was a time when peoples alternate viewpoints were respected, i.e. Johnny Ramone and his ultra conservative stance never stopped him from being friends with people that didn't share his worldview. The fact that you and your like decided it is now time to cancel a respected musician kinda just proves the point as to why someone like Ariel Pink would feel it necessary to support those who he feels are doing the proper thing in this country. I personally appreciate music for the creativity it expresses. What Ariel Pink does outside of that changes nothing with regards to that. As a reviewer, I would expect you would lack any bias when it comes to this subject matter. That's obviously not the case. You have gone so far down this path of the left that thinks that compromise is never an option with any political subject matter- to the point that people's freedom of expression and right to hear both sides of an argument are no longer considered acceptable and reasonable behavior. And once again- if you think that this is about boomers vs. young, progressive minded people, you are so far lost in your bubble that I don't think you can come out. I am not a boomer, and I know that what you ascribe to is anything but progressive. You will find this out the day you get cancelled by your "own".
This is a great video and I agree with nearly everything, especially Ariel Pink sealing his own fate with his melodrama and victim complex. I do however disagree with you on the point of cancel culture being ubiquitous. When we say “cancel culture”, the operative word is “culture”. I think “cancelling” as a constant, central form of political action, to the degree that can be observed as its own “culture” is a uniquely modern leftist spectacle. Right wingers do not infight and cancel each other remotely as often as leftists do. In fact, the one thing the right has on the left is they are unified. Proud boys aren’t telling vulnerable youth “google is free” when they have questions, they’re not calling each other out on their instagram stories, they’re actively educating and recruiting. I think if we want to see social progress we really gotta learn how to simply talk to each other (not AT each other) as human beings, and besides his pettiness, I can agree with Ariel Pink to the effect of cancel culture standing directly in the way of that.
@swingin Man Basically, I just find leftism to be about too much government. It has a tendency to enable too many people to be reliant on government for way too much. The unrealistic aspect comes from what I believe to be not enough of society contributing to the greater good. It has a tendency to create huge, over-reaching programs that are supposedly designed to "advance" society, but in reality costs too much and does nothing but set us all back. But ultimately, I think of leftist values as nothing more than protecting an elite class of people, while holding back a large contingency of people that could otherwise be be in much better shape if they were left to their own devices, and empowered with the freedom from the government that supposedly exists to "protect" them. We should rely on people to be socially responsible outside of the government, as it is ultimately more effective and efficient- and it's what I consider to be a very American value that is extremely underrated in the world today. It's called American Exceptionalism, and it's something that is usually only appreciated by people that come to this country and experience it. I'm not trying to take anything away from Canada here, as I believe that many Canadians also hold these values in a very similar regard. It's just that Canada has been influenced more by European socialism far more than the U.S. - and has far more trust in government than I would personally like.
@McDingus thanks for responding. again, I simply won’t allow misuse of an ideology to make me write off an entire ideology in general. Especially just because it’s misrepresented in the media. Then I would be allowing the media to form my opinions, even if in spite of it. And no, I would describe my leanings as far left, resonating the most with the writings of Debord, Deleuze, Stirner, those who are able to be critical of society while not exempting themselves from criticism. I don’t see the values you list as exclusively “American” (provided I’m Canadian lol) to me those all just sound like being a decent person and taking responsibility for your existence, which I believe you can do while pushing for social change. If I may ask, what is it about leftism you dislike? Other than finding it “unrealistic”, because all ideas are unrealistic until they are put into practice, and here we are talking about the principles themselves.
@swingin Man Well, I hate to tell you this, but your version of what it is to be a leftist is completely and totally being railroaded by the media and the general sheep that make up the vast majority of its' constituency , and thus has no validity and basically doesn't exist. I think your beliefs lie in what was traditionally the center-left, but they are now labeled right wing fascist along with everyone else that doesn't follow their ill-guided socialist (and soon communist) agenda. And while I appreciate your assertion that empathy is a pillar of your belief system, I tend to find it a bit too Utopian and unrealistic. I personally have never had a problem with people that are driven by this basic belief of trying to make everyone happy and love each other-it's just the principals of political beliefs overall are not realistic enough to be able to achieve this standard. There tends to never be enough money and enough honesty to realistically achieve the goals that these types of leftists want- so in the end the best intentions backfire and people suffer as a result. This culture of victimhood and entitlement is destroying the fabric of our society- and the real important values of America are now dirty words. Delayed gratification, work ethic, personal responsibility, sacrifice, independence, freedom- are all unacceptable traits in today's vision of a modern America for the modern leftist. That's a real shame.
@McDingus I disagree. In general, tue leftism (which is very hard to come by these days, and is NOT represented in the media) simply asserts that people deserve basic empathy. This makes it easy to be abused by people with narcissistic interests, but just because narcissists inherently demand the most visibility (and are consequently the most seen) doesn’t mean they speak for all of leftism. The issue is, within “from each according to his ability to each according to his needs”, modern leftism has neglected “from each according to his ability”. Modern leftists don’t want to admit how much control they have over their decisions and how often sacrifice is necessary for the greater good. You can validate “your struggle” while accepting there is something you can do about it.
Therein lies the problem. The left doesn't understand viewpoints that don't fit with the narrative they have in their heads. If one thing is out of place, it must be ignored. It's a lack of maturity that makes this possible. I do find it a bit odd however that considering your obvious belief in leftist values (other than cancel culture)- that you would call out a person for their "melodrama and victim complex". Isn't that a pillar of leftist beliefs? Everyone's a victim and let's all bitch about our "struggle". I would think that would bring about some empathy from leftists. It seems to when Alexandria Ocasio Smollet does it, right?
Does Ariel pink actually support trump or did he just wanna watch people storm the capital & watch the world burn like the rest of us?🤷🏼♂️
He’s cool. He’ll be fine. Everything’s cool in the end.
Cancel culture is such a fluff phrase. Burn notice makes a better point lol. Yes I remember the show ... ; p
“I don’t know what Ariel Pink’s ideas are...” right after assuming his opinions and beliefs for 5 minutes lol
@Camilhurt How is that what you're taking away from this? The point is he did very little to say that his assumptions and opinions (the majority of the video) are not factual.
@David Pavlas no use arguing with someone who can’t tel the difference between what an assumption is and what knowing is...
@Good Bye people can make their opinions public without your approval, brainiac.
@David Pavlas yeah you're right, there's no issues here. Making a whole video implying someone is a scumbag is absolved when you say, '...but I don't know his ideas.'
Assuming and knowing are 2 different things; you are aware of that, right?
If only there were people guiding him and he wasn't thinking for himself! I am all about getting advice for people but sometimes u just gotta do you dawg.
Anthony, your coming at Ariel Pink with logic.. the man has none. xd
Boo Fantano. Lame. Pink doesn’t support fascism, moron. The dude likes Trump, and now he can’t make music. Cancel culture is real and it sucks.
“Cancel culture happens in all different communities, take the Dixie chicks for an example” LOL, what a reach. I challenge anyone to name one liberal artist that’s been cancelled for their political beliefs in the past 10 years. You know, like melons old buddy Sam Hyde. Has he done a video disavowing himself for being so friendly with him just a few years ago? I mean, he provided a platform for a waaycist and fascist.
You project all these opinions on him without even fucking talking to the guy. If you simply don't care to talk to him, just leave him the fuck alone.
artists are allowed to believe in, and do whatever tickles their fancy, but they have to have the understanding that their choices may be polarizing, and may come with the consequence of losing a big part of their fans/network. i’ve learned to start separating the art from the artist, so i’m never sympathetic if their actions put them in the gutter. everyone has free will.
Who’s true pawn?
I heard john maus and his wife donated a bunch 2 the trump campaign :(
Melon: Cancel culture doesn’t exist Also melon: Yeah Ariel Pink is cancelled because orange man bad Besides allegations of sexual misconduct, which we should of course take seriously, what did he do, besides support Trump, exactly? Is that a crime punishable by cancellation (that apparently doesn’t exist)?
Seriously? Tucker Carlson and Ariel Pink together? I really must have been living under a rock
Damn, seriously loved Ariel Pink ever since Haunted Graffiti.....and I had no idea he was such a nut job. How did I miss that? What a disappointment. Though he does strike me as someone who’s pretty out of touch with reality. Thanks for the update fantano. I can always count on you to keep me in the loop
To call him an influential is a bit of an overstate- Kanye West is influential and extends it far beyond music. Pink has always been one of those " I heard of him" musicians . I know what pitchfork said and they have always been a hipster indie elitist and racist echo chamber full of hack writers and pseudo intellectuals. He may be influential to largely irrelevant artists like Julian Casablancas and MGMT ( big fan of them but their star has definitely fallen and he co-wrote one of their worst songs IMO) but to the larger world of music consumption he is a non-entity. His cross over pop writing success is actually petty minor when compared to Jack Antonoff or Rostam ( not a fan of either of them either TBH). He writes decent songs but I wouldn't go much further than that in trying to cast him as a significant voice.
Coming soon: "The Marilyn Manson Situation" (which the news is not surprising, but yeah... fuck him.)
Ariel Pink is Perez Hilton
yo hold 6 while watching this video
I listened to an interview with him on Brake Check, and I had no idea how vapid and ignorant he sounds. But at the end of the day I still like some of his music.
"Right people did it too." is a bad argument my dude. Why not take a stand against cancel culture on both the left and the right?
I'm feeling a light 6.7 on this situation
First I show up at Insurrection Rallye and post about it on Insta, then I run to Tucker Carlson ,wearing a Star Of David, and cry about my cancelation. I moderately liked his music, easiest cancelation of my lifetime.
John Maus surprises me a lot. He has a Ph.d In Political Science, he should know better. I think they are just in it for the drama and shock value. Pathetic. but..... I will still listen to their music... I like it.
Ah, ffs Again with the "why would you support LITERALLY HITLER" You're all out of other words or something? Dude, you supported Bernie and then a dude who can't think straight for more than 5 minutes a day, if that. Why would you allow yourself to be made into a pawn? Oh, they said nice words. Alrighty then. Clearly a valid reason.
@Coco the Socialist I have enough female friends to not let this sexist reply slide. Neither being trans, nor being woman explain your lowbrow take. In fact, my MTF teenager friend is head and shoulders above her age group, and 90% of women I've ever had extensive communication with are at the very least on par with their male counterparts, so I'll press X to doubt on that one.
iAmTheArm haha nice try. I'm a trans girl and I've been on hormone blockers since I was 12.
@Coco the Socialistyou sound like a 13 y.o., which explains a lot.
Bernie Sanders is infinitely better than trump. I dislike Bernie but you cannot deny that.
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He’s a great artist, just because i don’t agree with his politics doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy his music .
My comment got deleted. But both sides are contributing to cancel culture right?
Not when only one side controls it.
Ok, let's see if fantano is really fair. If so, there should be about 500 videos about musicians beings mouthpieces for the left propaganda machines. Again, in not a Trump guy. He lost, leave but be honest and fair.
Come on though, let's be real. The Dixie chicks thing happened almost 20 years ago. If you compare the "left" cancels to the "right" cancels, it's not even close.
great analysis
The first time I really paid any attention to Ariel Pink was his What's In My Bag Amoeba episode. He came across as a total buffoon and jackass in that episode, so I've happily ignored him ever since. Turns out I was right; he is a buffoon and jackass
i stopped listening to AP about two years ago. and it hurt, because i absolutely love his music. but the guy was aggressively political in a way that gave me no choice but to respond to his politics. if you put yourself out there like that you have to live with the consequences of it, one way or the other.
He's a white guy that has gotten away with bad behavior, over and over. If a woman decided to walk off stage during a festival and throw some kind of antics as much as him, shit would have been on the national news labeling her as a crazy bitch. He's sad because the "white man" pass is coming to an end. He's scared shitless to lose his privilege. I still love the music he created. That can't change, but I do feel disappointed to find out his belief system.
not forever :(
I don't trust anyone who doesn't cut their guitar strings.
Cutting them is a noob move. You can trim them just by pulling and wiggling the string and it'll cleanly break right at the post, much closer than any clipper can get. Leaving them uncut makes for some fun feedback if you're into that, and it's also possible to "recycle" a broken string with the excess in a pinch.
He’s a rich brat from Beverly Hills
Ariel pink sucks he’s not underground and his music isn’t innovative.
please stick to music bro I cringe so hard whenever you talk about politics. You may think having racy political takes is ok because you're doing it from the left but it's really not in the eyes of many. Flat out calling Trump a fascist after saying he was fairly beaten in an election is like one of the dumbest things I've ever heard lmao. Ariel Pink is innocent and should be allowed to have political opinions without getting dropped from his label. No excuses for this BS.
@Reongaro Simply questioning it would not and there's a legal process for that. When you start trying to throw out valid votes because they were received at a certain time, try to seize voting machines, pressure governor's to not certify their states' elections, and tell the people trying to stop the process from going forward by storming the capitol building that they're special and you love them, that's at least flirting with fascism. There's also the Republican party's general attempts to disenfranchise voters by shutting down polling places and introducing archaic porcedural laws to invalidate legal votes but that goes beyond Trump.
@K there are no right wing labels the left is the establishment and punishes dissent. also please explain how trump questioning the legitimacy of the election makes him a fascist
@Pikushisu Who was saying Trump didn't win? I don't really recall that as a talking point. Russia launched a serious disinformation campaign, hacked and released DNC emails to make them look bad, and members of the Trump campaign team met with Russian agents to try and get incriminating information on Hillary. This is all established fact and certainly influenced voters and may have altered the outcome of the election but I don't recall any serious news source claiming he didn't end up receiving more electoral votes and thus won the election.
@K Wait, but people didn't accept it when Trump won, and said that Russia stole it. For 4 years. I hate double standards.
The fascism part is not accepting the outcome of the election, which he dudn't. In a free market capitalist society, a record label can choose who they want to be associated with, maybe he'll have better luck with a right-wing record label. Being able to express your opinion doesn't mean that you're immune from social and professional consequences.
I literally gasped....
All the collabs you mentioned, and this guy SUCK. We need more metal!
I never vibes with Ariel’s music, but I’m super confused about John Maus. I know the two of them are friends, but the guy has a phd in political theory, for Pete’s sake.
Just because you study political science does not mean you align with modern leftism.
Weird rebranding
have u heard the recent all gas no brakes podcast interview with Ariel pink
I never could stand Ariel Pink and I feel vindicated
FINALLY I KNOW HOW TO FEEL ABOUT ALL THIS
Jesus Mous and Pink :/ lame, they must’ve gotten the brain worm
leave Ariel alone.
Pink getting all the coverage when the real low blow was John Maus
Why is this even a thing?
it's so crazy to me how blue check libs honestly believe they are the only people who like music and without their support an artist can't exist lmao